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ht_murrayI dont' like to post reviews or read recaps until I've had a good couple hours to chat with my BFFs to make sure I'm not completely speaking from a place of defensive angst, lol, but now that I've done that I do have a thing to say....
Okay, first. I do not believe that what he said at the end of this episode was in any way influenced by the siren.
The first victim said what? That he knew exactly what he was doing.
What Dean said fell completely in line with what he was obviously telegraphing throughout the entire episode, starting with Sam's not so sneaky call to Ruby at the beginning. I believe that Dean said exactly what he meant.
So, I can't have double standards. I can't say, the first victim knew exactly what he was doing and Dean said exactly what he meant, but Sam's diatribe was somehow clouded by the Siren. I just can't go that.
I'll admit, I feel a hella lot betrayed by what he said. After he spent all that time convincing Dean to talk and let everything out, he took that information and told Dean exactly what Dean had been afraid of. That his emotions make him weak. Hmm, blast from the past much? I think I said the exact same thing last week. I'm a broken record. *sob*
However, I can totally understand why Sam feels this way. Let's forget the whole Ruby and demon blood, demon destiny, blah, blah, demon ANYTHING influence. If your brother was A) going to Hell and you can't stop it no matter what you do, B) IN Hell and you can't bring him back, and C) back from Hell but in so much pain over what happened there that you don't have a clue what to do to fix him? Then you're going to have a whole lot of unresolved IRRATIONAL rage. Feelings do not have to be rational to be real. Nor is rage anything inhuman. So yeah, he said what he meant, what he's feeling, but he only feels that way because he's so completely impotent in the face of all things Dean, and he lashes out, therefore, at DEAN. I think it's the same ineffectiveness he feels in the face of Dean's trauma that drives him to push his powers into high gear. It also makes him incapable of seeing just how badly that's turning out.
All that being said... and this is where all my fellow Dean girls can turn away, also anyone who doesn't like speculation... I'm pretty sure Kripke's going to go down exactly the road they've been telegraphing since Day 1. Sam's going to overstep his bounds and end up at the bottom of that slippery slope before long.
I said you could leave, lol. This is where I do a little speculating.
My speculation's always wrong.
Last chance to leave before Two-Face shows up.
But, it could go either way. Dean's not only admitted that he wishes he couldn't feel anything but in the last two episodes he's been pretty much bitch-slapped for showing he's human and sometimes weak. It's one thing to have demons hit you with that. It's their job. It's another thing entirely to be hit with it from people you actually care about. I don't know if he's going to be able to deal with any of his crap at all now. He basically has the option to shut up and bear it all on his own or get rid of it somehow. I have a slight fear (or maybe it's a tingle, I dunno) that, if he found a way to get rid of it, he'd be one evil son of a bitch, because that remorse is pretty much all that's left of his humanity.
I doubt that will happen, and lately the writers haven't been big on plot twists, unless they're dodging the anvils they're dropping. Yes, I have read what Kripke's original plan for Season 3 was. I don't know if that's still the plan. Hopefully, there's still a whole other season left to plot, SO.
Now, before you throw rotten tomatoes, I can see this happening. But. It. Won't. So, Dean girls, don't glare at me and tell me what a cheap bait and switch that will be and how you will hate it. Just take it as me saying, nothing is standing out to me with flashing neon lights and saying, "This is how it's going to go."
I still have faith, and as much as I hate all the angst and character bashing and whining in general, I want to see what happens.
I just had the urge to say. Peace. Out. Been watching too many Dark Angel repeats... *headdesk*
Okay, first. I do not believe that what he said at the end of this episode was in any way influenced by the siren.
The first victim said what? That he knew exactly what he was doing.
What Dean said fell completely in line with what he was obviously telegraphing throughout the entire episode, starting with Sam's not so sneaky call to Ruby at the beginning. I believe that Dean said exactly what he meant.
So, I can't have double standards. I can't say, the first victim knew exactly what he was doing and Dean said exactly what he meant, but Sam's diatribe was somehow clouded by the Siren. I just can't go that.
I'll admit, I feel a hella lot betrayed by what he said. After he spent all that time convincing Dean to talk and let everything out, he took that information and told Dean exactly what Dean had been afraid of. That his emotions make him weak. Hmm, blast from the past much? I think I said the exact same thing last week. I'm a broken record. *sob*
However, I can totally understand why Sam feels this way. Let's forget the whole Ruby and demon blood, demon destiny, blah, blah, demon ANYTHING influence. If your brother was A) going to Hell and you can't stop it no matter what you do, B) IN Hell and you can't bring him back, and C) back from Hell but in so much pain over what happened there that you don't have a clue what to do to fix him? Then you're going to have a whole lot of unresolved IRRATIONAL rage. Feelings do not have to be rational to be real. Nor is rage anything inhuman. So yeah, he said what he meant, what he's feeling, but he only feels that way because he's so completely impotent in the face of all things Dean, and he lashes out, therefore, at DEAN. I think it's the same ineffectiveness he feels in the face of Dean's trauma that drives him to push his powers into high gear. It also makes him incapable of seeing just how badly that's turning out.
All that being said... and this is where all my fellow Dean girls can turn away, also anyone who doesn't like speculation... I'm pretty sure Kripke's going to go down exactly the road they've been telegraphing since Day 1. Sam's going to overstep his bounds and end up at the bottom of that slippery slope before long.
I said you could leave, lol. This is where I do a little speculating.
My speculation's always wrong.
Last chance to leave before Two-Face shows up.
But, it could go either way. Dean's not only admitted that he wishes he couldn't feel anything but in the last two episodes he's been pretty much bitch-slapped for showing he's human and sometimes weak. It's one thing to have demons hit you with that. It's their job. It's another thing entirely to be hit with it from people you actually care about. I don't know if he's going to be able to deal with any of his crap at all now. He basically has the option to shut up and bear it all on his own or get rid of it somehow. I have a slight fear (or maybe it's a tingle, I dunno) that, if he found a way to get rid of it, he'd be one evil son of a bitch, because that remorse is pretty much all that's left of his humanity.
I doubt that will happen, and lately the writers haven't been big on plot twists, unless they're dodging the anvils they're dropping. Yes, I have read what Kripke's original plan for Season 3 was. I don't know if that's still the plan. Hopefully, there's still a whole other season left to plot, SO.
Now, before you throw rotten tomatoes, I can see this happening. But. It. Won't. So, Dean girls, don't glare at me and tell me what a cheap bait and switch that will be and how you will hate it. Just take it as me saying, nothing is standing out to me with flashing neon lights and saying, "This is how it's going to go."
I still have faith, and as much as I hate all the angst and character bashing and whining in general, I want to see what happens.
I just had the urge to say. Peace. Out. Been watching too many Dark Angel repeats... *headdesk*
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Date: 2009-02-06 04:53 pm (UTC)As much as I love Sam, I don't think he was ready to hear what had happened to Dean. He pushed too hard too fast and it makes me think of the blow up they had in ELAC in season two over dealing with/ not dealing with John's death. Dean was trying to deal in his own way and Sam didn't think that was acceptable because it wasn't the way he'd (meaning Sam) deal with it. So we got all the angsting during that ep and well into season two.
This could just be me, but I think that Sam is so wrapped up in dealing with demony-goodness bullshit that he's finally gotten sick of it. If he pushes Dean to talk about his issues, then it takes his mind off the fact that he's doing something that he knows isn't the best option for him. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think Sam is using Dean's problems as an avoidance strategy/ coping mechanism cause he's just so sick of dealing with his own shit. But then he gets pissed at his own inability to "fix" Dean and it calls into question whether or not he'll ever be able to "fix" himself. I don't think he wants to be evil, but he just can't find a way right now to get rid of Lillith and the threat of Lucifer that doesn't require him to be all evil Sam with no hope.
Do I make any sense at all?
*crawls back into bed*
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Date: 2009-02-06 11:08 pm (UTC)Haha, Chewbacca. Someone needs to icon that. You are crazy.