In Defense of... You'll Never Guess... 4.14 metaey thing.

[ht_murray]

I dont' like to post reviews or read recaps until I've had a good couple hours to chat with my BFFs to make sure I'm not completely speaking from a place of defensive angst, lol, but now that I've done that I do have a thing to say....



Okay, first. I do not believe that what he said at the end of this episode was in any way influenced by the siren.


The first victim said what? That he knew exactly what he was doing.

What Dean said fell completely in line with what he was obviously telegraphing throughout the entire episode, starting with Sam's not so sneaky call to Ruby at the beginning. I believe that Dean said exactly what he meant.

So, I can't have double standards. I can't say, the first victim knew exactly what he was doing and Dean said exactly what he meant, but Sam's diatribe was somehow clouded by the Siren. I just can't go that.

I'll admit, I feel a hella lot betrayed by what he said. After he spent all that time convincing Dean to talk and let everything out, he took that information and told Dean exactly what Dean had been afraid of. That his emotions make him weak. Hmm, blast from the past much? I think I said the exact same thing last week. I'm a broken record. *sob*

However, I can totally understand why Sam feels this way. Let's forget the whole Ruby and demon blood, demon destiny, blah, blah, demon ANYTHING influence. If your brother was A) going to Hell and you can't stop it no matter what you do, B) IN Hell and you can't bring him back, and C) back from Hell but in so much pain over what happened there that you don't have a clue what to do to fix him? Then you're going to have a whole lot of unresolved IRRATIONAL rage. Feelings do not have to be rational to be real. Nor is rage anything inhuman. So yeah, he said what he meant, what he's feeling, but he only feels that way because he's so completely impotent in the face of all things Dean, and he lashes out, therefore, at DEAN. I think it's the same ineffectiveness he feels in the face of Dean's trauma that drives him to push his powers into high gear. It also makes him incapable of seeing just how badly that's turning out.

All that being said... and this is where all my fellow Dean girls can turn away, also anyone who doesn't like speculation... I'm pretty sure Kripke's going to go down exactly the road they've been telegraphing since Day 1. Sam's going to overstep his bounds and end up at the bottom of that slippery slope before long.




I said you could leave, lol. This is where I do a little speculating.




My speculation's always wrong.




Last chance to leave before Two-Face shows up.







But, it could go either way. Dean's not only admitted that he wishes he couldn't feel anything but in the last two episodes he's been pretty much bitch-slapped for showing he's human and sometimes weak. It's one thing to have demons hit you with that. It's their job. It's another thing entirely to be hit with it from people you actually care about. I don't know if he's going to be able to deal with any of his crap at all now. He basically has the option to shut up and bear it all on his own or get rid of it somehow. I have a slight fear (or maybe it's a tingle, I dunno) that, if he found a way to get rid of it, he'd be one evil son of a bitch, because that remorse is pretty much all that's left of his humanity.

I doubt that will happen, and lately the writers haven't been big on plot twists, unless they're dodging the anvils they're dropping. Yes, I have read what Kripke's original plan for Season 3 was. I don't know if that's still the plan. Hopefully, there's still a whole other season left to plot, SO.

Now, before you throw rotten tomatoes, I can see this happening. But. It. Won't. So, Dean girls, don't glare at me and tell me what a cheap bait and switch that will be and how you will hate it. Just take it as me saying, nothing is standing out to me with flashing neon lights and saying, "This is how it's going to go."

I still have faith, and as much as I hate all the angst and character bashing and whining in general, I want to see what happens.

I just had the urge to say. Peace. Out. Been watching too many Dark Angel repeats... *headdesk*

Comments

[lexie-sinistra.livejournal.com]

***APPLAUDS**** I am a Dean girl but I agree with you. What they said they knew they were doing. Like the previous guys knew too. This is all going to lead to the major blow out that we know is coming. Siren induced or not, that fist a cuffs fight was just a tip of the ice berg.

[tabularassa.livejournal.com]

They need to talk it out, cos it's bullshit. They both meant it, and WTF? OMG

LMAO Yeah.

[maboheme.livejournal.com]

I don't know if he's going to be able to deal with any of his crap at all now. He basically has the option to shut up and bear it all on his own or get rid of it somehow.

This got to me the most. Sam's the one who forced him to open up and then he goes and throws that back in his face. Dean won't be dealing well with this.

You make a good point with the bait and switch possibility. It's so obviously being set up to go one way, and it would absolutely make sense to go the other way, you know, to be a surprise and all.

What was Kripke's original S3 plan?

Also, you make good excuses for Sam, many of which I can fanwank so. But really I'm not really in a Sam-forgiving mood right now, just cause this reminded me of prideful!Season1 Sam which I really hated. But you're reasonings do make sense. Although I still think he's a cold-hearted ass right now.

ETA: Cause I can't spell. Grrr.

[ewanspotter.livejournal.com]

I don't blame Sam any more than I blame Dean. But, I take their comments as more... truthiness than actual fact. Yes, they said what they meant, no ifs ands or buts about that. But their emotions were also exaggerated. You get angry at someone you scream at them and tell you you wish they were dead. In your heart, in no way do you actually want them dead. You say it, and you know you're saying it and at the time you think you believe it, but it's not true.

[angels3.livejournal.com]

Well Sam's a bitch! I DO NOT want him to ask Dean what's wrong, or how he feels or talk about shit ever again. I don't care what his issues are to be honest with you.

This is the second time Dean has done everything for him and had it thrown in his face, and this time was ten times worse after Anna told him to talk about it too.

So when he leans even more heavily on Castiel and withdraws from Sam, shuts down even more Sam will honestly have no one to blame for himself.

Obviously either he's forgotten what it was like without his brother already or he didn't miss him as much as he said he did. (yes I'm aware I'm being bitchy about it but I'm really pissed at Sam right now)

[tru-faith-lost.livejournal.com]

Firstly, I don't want to spoil. I dunno if you can access this or not, but here's (http://community.livejournal.com/dean_sam/7318336.html#cutid1) a discussion about Kripke's intentions for season 3.

I spent pretty much all night being angry with Sam, too. And there were thoughts of violence. I chatted with my friends, and I checked out a couple reviews which said exactly what I feared they would. Most people are mad at Sam and then there's the Sam girls (not all of them, just a few) who think they're doing him a favor by saying, STFU you stupid Dean girls. LOL. Not really presenting a good argument or defense of their boy at all.

And I believe without a doubt he knew what he was saying, but I made myself consider why he felt that way when he's the one who's asked Dean to bare his soul time and again. So now I understand better. I'd still probably cheered too loudly when Dean got the upper hand in that fight, though. But I think Dean can't help but love him anyway, and I gotta at least try to understand it.

I'd actually kinda like to see the switcheroo, but I really don't think they'll go there.

[tru-faith-lost.livejournal.com]

Totally. There's no way things are going to smooth out through just talking and being there for each other after the words have now been wielded as weapons. This is going to come to more than blows. All the stops are going to be pulled out. And I'll cringe the whole time, because it will hurt my soul, but it's not like I can just walk away. *smooshes*

[tru-faith-lost.livejournal.com]

That's the problem. Now that they've talked and Sam's wielded the words against Dean, I don't think it's an option to talk it out anymore. I think that's officially off the table and it's just going to be a power struggle from here on out. Which makes me verrry verry sad. But also a little tingly, cuz sometimes I twisted like that.

[tabularassa.livejournal.com]

I've been waiting for this for a looong time. LMFAO But I'm still sad about it.

[tru-faith-lost.livejournal.com]

Yup, I totally get what you're saying. But you know what my hubby always says to me when we get in a fight? (And it pisses me off to no end, but still...) He says, "You wouldn't have said that if you hadn't been thinking it." And he's usually right, TO A DEGREE. So, Sam might not think that Dean's sitting around feeling sorry for himself, but he does think Dean's emotional trauma is a weakness that's keeping them from making any headway against Lilith. And what Dean said? Well, we were all thinking it, right? I can't help but think he meant it. Of course, he didn't mean to kill Sam with an axe, but he did mean what he said about Sam's actions. And to be honest, Sam had it coming.

[tru-faith-lost.livejournal.com]

LOL, bitch away. I've been there. Thank God for my far less volatile friends, lol. Though, I think a part of my less fuming response has to do with the fifteen minutes we spent talking about who's slutty and who's a whore, lol. I'm apparently extremely biased in that department which is why I shall never discuss the sex scenes on this show.

I'm mad at him, too, but I want them all happy and smooshy when this is over, so I'm not gonna let myself go too far down that path. I got past it in season 2, and I don't want to go back there, but I totally get what you're saying and don't negate it at all. It's a completely reasonable response to a completely unreasonable action.

*smooshes*

I miss Castiel.

[tru-faith-lost.livejournal.com]

Haha, I guess this is what we call UST. I'm waiting for the Resolved ST that damned well better come out of all this, cuz what a waste otherwise. LOLZ.

[tabularassa.livejournal.com]

Hell yeah. It best get resolved. LOL

[tru-faith-lost.livejournal.com]

They gotta push through the pain... *shifty eyes*

[angels3.livejournal.com]

I hope people realize that other than Dean getting all excited about them having a case involving strippers he was all business this episode. I mean yeah he drank but he does that every time but he didn't hit on any of them and he didn't make jokes he was all about the case. (since you mentioned the slut thing)

That's another thing Sam doesn't answer his phone? What would have happened if Dean had been in trouble while he was fucking around?
UGGGGGGGGGGGG I need a pressure vaulve release.

[maboheme.livejournal.com]

RE: the link. Oh, wow. Well that...wow. Thanks for linking that. Wow. Um...that would have been a very different Season 3.

And it sort of adds to a lot of what I was thinking tonight...hmmmm....

[tabularassa.livejournal.com]

LMFAO BEST PHRASE EVER. Sam's gonna have Dean on his back, and he's gonna be telling him just that. Whut.

[maboheme.livejournal.com]

YES. Does anyone else think this is such a fundamental issue with the show? Like the one place it can't go, but needs to go. And the tension just ratchets it up, you know. Like really there is no way to have RESOLVED ST. But there needs to be! Because there is so much freaking much of it. And I laugh about the subtext, but really the SUBTEXT is so overwhelming, it's hilarious.

It's such a heteronormative universe the boys operate in, yet, so much of what they do falls outside of the norm as is. But you have canon that is completely locked in a way that would never allow the release of tension that needs to be released for the traditional storytelling and narrative tropes to take place. *g*

[tru-faith-lost.livejournal.com]

LOL, I was actually calling the doctor a total slut, lol. I hated her from the get-go, but yeah.... lol.

Do you have a valve? I can turn it for ya. lol. You should write some crack. That helps me. Hmm, what could be cracky about this ep? There was a tank of fish outside... i think it was the doctor's office. I said, oooh, pretty fishies. And they didn't seem to close the blinds... fishies got an eyeful.

Fish1: what a slut.
Fish 2: Gurgle.
Fish 3: Which her or him?
Fish 1: Her. He'd be stupid as hell not to take that bait.
Fish 2: Gurgle.
Fish 3: You did not just say bait.
Fish 1: How do you think I ended up here with you?
Fish 2: Worm... gurgle.
Fish 3: That ain't his worm.
Fish 1: I think she was referring to the bait.
Fish 2: Gurgle *nods*
Fish 3: Then why didn't she say that?
Fish 1: She's distracted by the...
Fish 2: Slut... Gurgle.
Fish 3: Worm...
Fish 1: Holy fuck.
Fish 2: Guuuuuuuuurglllllle.
Fish 3: Gurrrrrrrrrrrrrglllllle.

[tru-faith-lost.livejournal.com]

Ooh, what were you thinking? Did you post it? Link? *bats eyelashes*

[tru-faith-lost.livejournal.com]

Cuz Angst forgot the lube. Hee!

[angels3.livejournal.com]

OMG you fucking kill me! LMAO

[billysgirl5.livejournal.com]

Before I start, just keep in mind that I'm spoiler-free, but I will speculate a bit as to what I think will happen.

I have to agree...Sam and Dean both meant what they said. I think the siren played a part, not allowing the brothers to censor what they wanted to say...just pushed all their feelings out there, no holds barred. Was it logical and rational, probably not, but then again, feelings rarely are.

There are so many issues that Sam and Dean need to talk about, but don't, that there was no way it wouldn't eventually blow up in their faces. And I do believe that, once again, they'll pretend this never happened until it eats at them so much, they won't be able to stand to be around each other any more. This will push Sam to spend more time with Ruby just to get away. I'm not quite sure what/who Dean will turn to (although, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Anna).

Anyway, what I think will happen is that Sam will fall victim to his powers and will probably turn bad/evil. I'd say it's gonna happen around or will be the finale...the big knock-down, drag-out fight between Dean (good) and Sam (evil).

But, like I said, this is all speculation, because I have no clue as to what will happen.

As for Sam and Dean in this episode, it's almost like they've switched places. Sam is becoming the hardened hunter (Dean in S1), while Dean is becoming more emotional, almost emo (Sam in S1). For Sam, I think this stems from Sam having to watch Dean die over and over and over again in Mystery Spot and then having to deal with Dean being dead (and in hell) because of him, well, for him, anyway. He had to harden himself up, become tougher (be Dean) now that he was all alone. For Dean, it stems from his 40 years in Hell. He doesn't know how to handle it (who the hell does?!), and he's not used to sharing his feelings. Dean likes to bottle up, but I think he's realized, now, that he can't do that with this stuff; he needs to let it out.

Both brothers have issues that need to be dealt with, but instead of dealing with them, they're each lashing out at the person closest to him. It happens all the time. I'm not saying it's just Sam's fault, and I'm not saying that it's just Dean's fault. They're both at fault here in one way or another.

Did that all make sense? I kinda jumped around a bit...

[tru-faith-lost.livejournal.com]

Hmm, I think it CAN be resolved but it's like when you're cleaning house and you just start throwing everything around and making a bigger mess of things. I think they're gonna have to go waaaaayy deeper and darker to find the resolution. They're looking for that hole in the world Joss Whedon had drilled in.

[tru-faith-lost.livejournal.com]

Well, I live to serve. *smishes*