Kripke'd? Clarification of Term and Poll....

[ht_murray]

Okay, this is the shortest poll ever, but here's the thing. When I first started reading fic, I kept seeing the term "Jossed," and in the context it was used, I deduced that Jossed meant the canon of the show established by Joss Whedon completely trounced on someone speculation and made their fic AU. I figured the same when I first started seeing the term Kripke'd floating about. That the show canon developed in a way that was unlike the writer's speculations and thus made their fic AU. I assumed it was like something being "trumped" in Euchre.

Lately, I've been seeing Kripke'd being used as a term to assert that the show canon has "copied" a writer's fictional canon, thus making it appear as though the show writers borrowed it from said fic writer or read said writer's mind.

Personally, I'm confused. What do people believe the term Kripke'd means? And where would one go to find out the actual meaning?


[Poll #1342498]

ETA: Because I'm at work and cannot reply to everyone, it would appear that the two words are antonyms. Which leads me to ask A)Why? and B)So what is teh synonym of Jossed? FYI, I will never be able to read them as synoyms, LOL, though it's exactly this confusion which has prevented me from every using the word, though it would appear I've been Kripke'd my fair share of times. And that still doesn't sound right. I think this is one time when maybe the urban dictionary took their defintion from common use rather than actual, but that's my guess.

Oh, and I had to construct this post in about five minutes, so I'm sure there are better ways to word the poll and the answers, but um, read my mind... *sends psychic vibes*

Comments

[thestraychild.livejournal.com]

I really was tempted to say the second, though since I haven't written anything that could possibly interest him, it would have to either be options one or three for me.

[dawnfirenight.livejournal.com]

I always thought that Kripke'd/Jossed meant what you thoguht it meant - you have a fic, and then the show's canon develops in a way that is different from that of the fic, ergo it becomes Kripke'd/Jossed. Like, if someone wrote a fic about the Apocalypse coming and both boys dying in a blaze of glory, yada yada, and then the show gets to that point and it turns out the angels and demons just needed a little ice cream to settle things and the boys start a flower shop. The fic would become Kripke'd as a result of that (weird) canon.

I would vote for four, then.

[chemm80]

I think "Jossed" generally means you're screwed--your fic is now AU. I've seen "Kripke'd" used to mean the opposite. Your speculation is now canon.

[ejayye.livejournal.com]

I originally thought the term meant the same as jossed, but recently I also came to doubt that conclusion, so, um...I looked it up on Urban Dictionay, where the definition supports poll statement a)

[maboheme.livejournal.com]

They're the opposite of each other. <3

From the urban dictionary, my source of all life knowledge.

Jossed
Named for Joss Whedon, creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. Generally used by fanfiction writers when the shows chose to go in a direction that contradicted the story the fanfiction writer was currently working on. It is used most commonly when authors are led to believe that a certain event may happen later in a Television series or book and write a story with that event in it, then the official author goes in a different direction, making their story 'AU', Alternate Universe.

This story about Buffy living in Los Angeles got Jossed when Buffy returned to Sunnydale. Now it's AU.

"I just wrote a story about Spike's past as a pickpocket, but it turns out he was a wimpy poet when he was human! I've been Jossed!"

Kripke'd

To have events in fanon or fan fiction validated by new canon. Named for Eric Kripke, creator of the show Supernatural.

Opposite of Jossed.

I wrote a fic last year about Sam giving Dean his amulet, and they showed him doing it in last night's episode. I've been kripked!

[jellicle.livejournal.com]

I've always understood that being "Jossed" meant what you said, while being "Kripke'd" was when the show confirmed / "copied" something that already appeared on fanfiction. that way, Jossed and Kripke'd would be the complete opposite. :)

[samidha.livejournal.com]

Seriously? That latter bit is in the UD?

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I use Kripke'd synonymously with Jossed. And that's the way I always assume it is meant. I suppose from now on I'll just say Jossed, though.

[jellicle.livejournal.com]

Exactly! I've been around SPN fandom on LJ since season 1 and I that's how I've always interpreted this.

[jellicle.livejournal.com]

Also, Kripke'd pretty much confirms that a)Kripke is a fangirl; b) fans are in tune with the show writers; c)Kripke reads fanfic.

[mummyluvr314.livejournal.com]

I voted for choice number two, if only becuase I actually wrote In My Time of Dying the May before it aired ;)

Actually, I think super-wiki defines it as Number 1. Getting Kripke'd is the oppostie of being Jossed, from what I understand.

[willow-fae-20.livejournal.com]

I was always of the opinion that 'Kripke'd' meant the same thing as 'Jossed'. But obviously according to what everyone else is saying they are opposites... Interesting.

[a-carnal-mink.livejournal.com]

From Superwiki - In SPN Fandom, the term "to be kripked" can mean to have events in fic or Fanon, validated by new canon, reflecting the frequency with which SPN canon confirms SPN fanon. (http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/index.php?title=Kripked)

[smidirini.livejournal.com]

So I voted that they are synonyms and them I looked it up and apparently they're antonyms. Which is interesting, just in terms of having been in both fandoms at some point.

[angels3.livejournal.com]

Actually I don't have a clue I'm guessing :)

[munibunny.livejournal.com]

I know... the terms have been used to mean both things. I usually just look at the context to figure out which it means. LOL

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I've always thought it's the first one, though I assume the "you" in that means writers in general, not me personally heheh.

[darkmerrick.livejournal.com]

I know "Jossed" means that whatever you wrote, it's now WRONG, in Joss world. I saw that happen so many times. The fact that "Kripke'd" means the opposite...confuses the heck out of me, now. I thought they meant the same.

[fufaraw]

Joss is internet savvy and was among the weblings every week while Buffy and Angel were airing. Although he can't admit it for reasons of legality and copyright protection, it's not a huge leap to believe he read both fic and fan speculation on what was going to happen next.

Whether it was in his originally concieved story arc, or whether he cobbled it up to prove the fans wrong--or prove to them he was no slave to their wishes and opinion--Joss delighted in giving his scripts and storylines abrupt right and left turns off the projected and expected direction.

Hence (hee. I just said hence), if you wrote a story extrapolating on where the season arc appeared to be heading, the likelihood was that the canon storyline would take a smart turn at Albuquerue and leave your story...Jossed.

Kripke is an admitted net surfer, and often replies directly to fans. In many cases, *elements* of fic show up in canon storylines--such as the Afterschool Special episode, which had a scene or two that's been fan-written several if not many times. In those cases, the writers' stories were proven to lie in the direction canon takes, or Kripked.

I'm not ready to say that Kripke (or the other writers) read those stories and decided to go that way so much as astute fic writers extrapolated and deduced and speculated and got lucky. Most stories that are Kripked are ones about pre-series, or relationships, rather than season-arc, and are easier to deduce from canon character behavior and relationships.

...I think, anyway.

[smidirini.livejournal.com]

Which leads me to ask A)Why? and B)So what is teh synonym of Jossed?

Well, I think maybe the reason these two guys have been singled out is that it's very clear that they are fully aware of their fanbase. They watch online fandoms and go to events to chat with fans. Beyond that, I'm fairly sure they have both read at least some fan fiction :P I don't care what they say. They're aware of it and there is no way they haven't been curious enough to have a look at some stage!

I think the reason Jossed became so widely used is basically because the story of Buffy went completely off the rails after season 3. They were clearly navigating uncharted waters without a map. I don't think that they were thinking beyond high school when the show was concieved.

Hell, Joss even Jossed himself on more than one occasion - most notably by introducing a little sister called Dawn who had not existed in canon before, thus pretty much negating all previous canon. :p

Meanwhile over on the Supernatural ranch... Kripke so far seems to have a plan. Is it a good plan? I don't know, but he seems to know where he is going for the series finale and this has led to fairly consistent characterisation thus far.

Another interesting thing is that in the Buffyverse, at least in my memory of it, most of the fics written were set some time chronologically after the pilot. In Supernatural a lot of fics are set in the past, exploring the Winchester history.

Since there are plenty of allusions to past events in the canon material it's easy to 'get it right' than if you are trying to write about things in the future. I mean, considering that many future fics in SPN have Sam dying, some have Dean dying, some have them both living, both dying... it's pretty clear that a good few of them are going to get Jossed by the end of the show but for now they're safe :P

[cologne-chick.livejournal.com]

To be honest I never heard "Kripke'd" used when it's about fics. I just heard it when someone really loved something that Kripke has done?!

[tru-faith-lost.livejournal.com]

LOL< I know what you mean. Both the car scene in Fresh blood and the singing of Wanted Dead or Alive were in my fics months before they were in the show, but I still feel like Kripke'd means the same as Jossed and the super-wiki just went with the popular useage. It just doesn't make sense to me that two such similar words would mean the exact opposite unless they expect everyone who uses them to be in both fandoms and thus need them to be opposite. But then, it's probably just easier not to use it at all.

I find it funny that more people still said they thought it meant the same as Jossed even after I said that the definition seems to be the opposite. And most of the people who agreed with the definition voted that after they I edited the post. Hmmm. This is one of those cases where I kinda wish we could track down the original person who used it and ask. I think someone actually tracked down the very first wincest fic over on storyfinders once. You'd think it would be possible to figure this one out, too.

I wanna get Kripked

[listener_sheogorath]

Jossed is when fanfic is rejected by canon, and Kripked is when it's used in canon in some way. The two terms are not synonymous, they're antonyms of each other. You can find out more about the term at http://fanlore.org/wiki/Kripked.