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You know I don't really do episode reactions anymore, but I do tend to sit back and ruminate on them as they air until I get something that matters to me or inspires me to keep watching. And this is what I got from last night's episode.



So, John and Mary had their minds wiped. They don't remember the angels or Sam or Dean. But Mary bought the little angel figurine and said she didn't even know why she liked it. If she didn't know why she liked it, then we can only assume that her attachment to it is on a subconscious level, possibly a lingering glimmer of memory that didn't quite get wiped. Makes sense, to a degree, since John was obviously uncomfortable with it, and there was really nothing threatening about the figurine itself to justify his reaction.

So, I have to wonder, if it's something from this experience that made Mary latch onto the angel, then why does it seem to give her peace? Did Michael leave a trace of pro-angel bias behind when he did the memory wipe, or did Mary, despite all that happened, know or sense that things were all going to work out in the end? I'd like to think that some part of her remembers her boys and has faith in them and their destiny. And that part her knows that, except for angels, she'd never have known them at all. Of course she has fond feelings for angels. The same Plan that pits angel against angel and brother against brother gave her two beautiful sons, and she doesn't regret that they were ever born. Not even in the deepest part of her subconsciousness, or the parts of her psyche that must have been imprinted by this experience. So, the Plan can't be all bad, right? We all think we know how it ends, that Dean says yes and Sam says yes, and Michael kills Lucifer to save the world. But that would be awfully redundant, don't you think? You'd think, since that's already been played out, God must have changed his strategy. Somehow, Mary thinks it's going to be okay. That's good enough for me.

(And I realize none this makes any logical sense. It's just my gut feeling, and you all had your own gut feelings while watching. I just think, if Mary went through all that and still has faith in a higher power, then it's a good sign. Either that or the whole last scene was just about shocking the viewer with irony, which is possible, but if they were going to do that, they didn't have to mention that Mary was somehow drawn to the angel for no apparent reason.)

it seemed awfully ironic to me

Date: 2010-02-05 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catdancerz.livejournal.com
but your thoughts are just as valid...

personally it gave me a terrible chill hearing her say that

Date: 2010-02-05 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unplugged32.livejournal.com
Interesting thinky thoughts:) I'm hopeful that her boys will make her proud;)

{{squishes}}

Date: 2010-02-05 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grlmonday.livejournal.com
Wow...I totally didn't think it was anything more than her remembering her experience on a subconscious level. The irony didn't hit me like it did everyone else.

I don't know if they did that scene as nothing more than to show Mary still remembered the experience with the angels on some deeper level, or if it's a sign that this can all be resolved without her boys getting hurt.

Date: 2010-02-06 01:32 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sexytexanjra.livejournal.com
This feeds into my own deep desires for there to be more to all of this. That Team Free Will will be able to exercise that amazing gift and change it all. And who else better to have that chance than Dean and Sam who have been through so much in their relatively short lives to have the bank of experience to guide them to the choice that will change the direction that the world is destined for.

Yeah, Kripke loves irony and creeping us the hell out with things like Mary's reaction to the figurine, but he also likes to throw double meanings in there that will only make sense after you get to his end game.

I wouldn't be surprised if it has a little more far reaching meaning than just creep irony, thought the creep irony was cool and I could just see Kripke sitting there laughing at the dailies going "this is totally going to fuck with their heads". He's just an adorable rogue! ;P

Date: 2010-02-06 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
I thought about that, and it's all the more ironic because her encounter with angels was only with Anna in *that* mode. I don't think Michael talked to her, did he? Anyway, I think since Michael was the one who erased her mind of that incident, then he was also the one who left her with a good memory/impression of an angel, and that he put it into her head that an angel is going to look after her children, Dean specifically. Maybe.

Date: 2010-02-09 06:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ewanspotter.livejournal.com
I was kind of hoping Cas would show up to help them at the end, and it would justified her "angels are watching over you" bit. (This was of course before the episode aired and the mind wipe ensued.) But I do believe it was a subconscious thing; no way the Mary before was that religious. Her reaction to angels themselves pretty much proved that.

Date: 2010-02-10 02:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] almightyspaz.livejournal.com
Look at you being all deep and shit, meanwhile the writers can't get any deeper than a puddle.

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